Obama

The only two options I can think of for justifying this, from President Obama speaking at his “summit on countering violent extremism“, are either willful, purposeful ignorance, or the attempt to promote a knowingly false agenda. Can you think of another legitimate option?

Look at this:

“Here in America, Islam has been woven into the fabric of our country since its founding. Generations — (applause)”

Woven into America’s fabric? Since its FOUNDING? Presumably he means in some manner that made some significant difference, so maybe he can tell us…in what way did that happen? Based upon what evidence? His answer is this:

“The first Islamic center in New York City was founded in the 1890s. America’s first mosque, this was an interesting fact, was in North Dakota.” -[It was established in 1929]

I don’t know if he knows it or not – seriously, he was an academic, he might not know this – but the earliest founding of colonies, the creation of the fabric from which this nation was formed, came from the early 1600’s, and by my count, that’s MUCH earlier than the 1890’s. Our nation began to be formally formed, its fabric woven into a distinctive pattern, with the Declaration of Independence in 1776 – that too is MUCH earlier than the 1890’s. Our Constitution was written in 1787 (without a Muslim in sight of the constitutional convention), and ratified in 1788, without, to the best of my knowledge, any Muslim involvement in the process – that too is MUCH earlier than the 1890’s.

The Civil War was fought in the early 1860’s, again, to the best of my knowledge, without any Muslim influence of significance; and even that is earlier than the 1890’s. WTH is he talking about?

Seriously, WTH is he talking about?

The only significant instance of involvement with Islam that I can think of, was our having to deal with the Barbary States off and on from the late 1700’s through the early 1800’s. While Franklin, Adams and Jefferson attempted treaties with them, beginning in 1784 – it soon transformed into the issue of our first foreign wars with the Barbary Pirates… is THAT the involvement he wants to applaud? Yes the Marines got the line “to the shores of Tripoli” in their anthem from fighting the Barbary Pirates on Islamic shores…but is THAT really what he wants to tout as Islam being ‘woven into the fabric of our country’?

Even Wikipedia, as one desperate defender of the President threw my way, cites only a few rumors of people reputed to be muslim, having been noticed in North America, in the 17th & 18th centuries, and, incredibly, even an example of of how some things never seem to change:

“…An early Egyptian immigrant is mentioned in the accounts of the Dutch settlers of the Catskill Mountains and recorded in the 1884 History of Greene County, New York. According to this tradition, an Egyptian named “Norsereddin” settled in the Catskills in the vicinity of the Catskill Mountain House. He befriended the Indian chief, Shandaken, and sought the hand of his daughter Lotowana in marriage. Rejected, he poisoned Lotowana and in consequence was caught and burned alive.[21][22]…”

But seriously – how in the hell does anyone justify his comments? And especially NOW, in the context of fighting Islamic terrorists and the spread of ISIS, how can anyone, with a straight face and a shred of concern for intellectual integrity, how can any person not call this out for the bundle of willful ignorance, or pack of lies, that it is?

I’m telling ya’, we need a new word, ‘Unbelievable’ just doesn’t cut it anymore.

Which Founding?
There is of course one other option, the “Progressive Era” began to take solid shape in the 1890’s, and since the Pro-Regressive view is the only view of America that I’ve seen this President support, maybe that’s what he had in mind? After all, a few years ago he went out of his way to mark the 100th anniversary of Pro-Regressive President Teddy Roosevelt’s signature speech, entitled “The New Nationalism”, and which Obama praised and reprised in his own speech, given in the same town of Osawatomie (and which I posted on here: “Presidents Obama & TR’s Nationalism vs Original Americanism”). During his speech, about that speech, Obama noted with a smile how the press of that time had characterized TR’s speech as socialistic and even communistic.

Or IOW, the very opposite of what America was understood to stand for.

Maybe THAT is the ‘founding fabric‘ he has in mind.

The only two options I can think of for justifying this, from President Obama speaking at his “summit on countering violent extremism“, are either willful, purposeful ignorance, or the attempt to promote a knowingly false agenda. Can you think of another legitimate option?

Look at this:

“Here in America, Islam has been woven into the fabric of our country since its founding. Generations — (applause)”

Woven into America’s fabric? Since its FOUNDING? Presumably he means in some manner that made some significant difference, so maybe he can tell us…in what way did that happen? Based upon what evidence? His answer is this:

“The first Islamic center in New York City was founded in the 1890s. America’s first mosque, this was an interesting fact, was in North Dakota.” -[It was established in 1929]

I don’t know if he knows it or not – seriously, he was an academic, he might not know this – but the earliest founding of colonies, the creation of the fabric from which this nation was formed, came from the early 1600’s, and by my count, that’s MUCH earlier than the 1890’s. Our nation began to be formally formed, its fabric woven into a distinctive pattern, with the Declaration of Independence in 1776 – that too is MUCH earlier than the 1890’s. Our Constitution was written in 1787 (without a Muslim in sight of the constitutional convention), and ratified in 1788, without, to the best of my knowledge, any Muslim involvement in the process – that too is MUCH earlier than the 1890’s.

The Civil War was fought in the early 1860’s, again, to the best of my knowledge, without any Muslim influence of significance; and even that is earlier than the 1890’s. WTH is he talking about?

Seriously, WTH is he talking about?

The only significant instance of involvement with Islam that I can think of, was our having to deal with the Barbary States off and on from the late 1700’s through the early 1800’s. While Franklin, Adams and Jefferson attempted treaties with them, beginning in 1784 – it soon transformed into the issue of our first foreign wars with the Barbary Pirates… is THAT the involvement he wants to applaud? Yes the Marines got the line “to the shores of Tripoli” in their anthem from fighting the Barbary Pirates on Islamic shores…but is THAT really what he wants to tout as Islam being ‘woven into the fabric of our country’?

Even Wikipedia, as one desperate defender of the President threw my way, cites only a few rumors of people reputed to be muslim, having been noticed in North America, in the 17th & 18th centuries, and, incredibly, even an example of of how some things never seem to change:

“…An early Egyptian immigrant is mentioned in the accounts of the Dutch settlers of the Catskill Mountains and recorded in the 1884 History of Greene County, New York. According to this tradition, an Egyptian named “Norsereddin” settled in the Catskills in the vicinity of the Catskill Mountain House. He befriended the Indian chief, Shandaken, and sought the hand of his daughter Lotowana in marriage. Rejected, he poisoned Lotowana and in consequence was caught and burned alive.[21][22]…”

But seriously – how in the hell does anyone justify his comments? And especially NOW, in the context of fighting Islamic terrorists and the spread of ISIS, how can anyone, with a straight face and a shred of concern for intellectual integrity, how can any person not call this out for the bundle of willful ignorance, or pack of lies, that it is?

I’m telling ya’, we need a new word, ‘Unbelievable’ just doesn’t cut it anymore.

Which Founding?
There is of course one other option, the “Progressive Era” began to take solid shape in the 1890’s, and since the Pro-Regressive view is the only view of America that I’ve seen this President support, maybe that’s what he had in mind? After all, a few years ago he went out of his way to mark the 100th anniversary of Pro-Regressive President Teddy Roosevelt’s signature speech, entitled “The New Nationalism”, and which Obama praised and reprised in his own speech, given in the same town of Osawatomie (and which I posted on here: “Presidents Obama & TR’s Nationalism vs Original Americanism”). During his speech, about that speech, Obama noted with a smile how the press of that time had characterized TR’s speech as socialistic and even communistic.

Or IOW, the very opposite of what America was understood to stand for.

Maybe THAT is the ‘founding fabric‘ he has in mind.